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Old 01-20-2009, 07:19 PM
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Barry, I'm not sure who your post is aimed towards. You are referencing a hypothetical situation without actually giving us the situation or a link to the conversation.

Regardless, knowing how to calculate and apply these things is super helpful.

Personally, I'm in the school of thought that poker is in a primitive state, and even some of the most respected players in the game don't understand some VERY fundamental concepts. As a professional, I take it upon myself to learn the game to the highest extent I possibly can.

The way I do this is to analyze every situation I possibly can. I replay hands in my head, discuss hands with other pros, and do math equations to every situation I can possibly think of applying them.

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Summary: In many instances, people are fooling themselves thinking these calculations are important. The ones who do well are good players who make good judgments and have good betsizing. The EV they generate from figuring out these ranges is small and not necessarily positive. The poker considerations usually override whatever they may come up with.
Basically, I can't believe you would try to deter a professional player from doing anything to study the game further. Even if this hypothetical calculation will never come up in a real life scenario, it still helps players gain a feel for their equity in a wide variety of situations.


Edit: Here's a common example on the usefulness. Let's say player X is open folding K8o in the SB with 14 BB's in a short-handed cash game. Now DJK shows you can shove it profitably FACE UP with Y stack (where Y > 14). This proves that folding is a mistake. It doesn't show that shoving is always optimal, but it's a start in figuring out what the best play actually is, and corrects a very fundamental mistake that many players make (folding K8 in this spot). Discouraging players from figuring this stuff out is ludicrous.

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