PAD Dwan vs. Antonius

[Ondal]

Not much traffic here, so hope it's ok to post a TV hand.

I was watching PAD season 6 episode 70: Free Poker Videos - Watch Poker Videos for Free - Poker After Dark Cash Game S06 Ep70 2/2
9.40 odd in a hand develops between Tom Dwan and Patrick Antonius, and it goes like this.

Stacks are huge, more than 250k each with 300/600 blinds 100 ante, 5 people, Dwan is straddling as he does at nearly every opportunity. Pots 2600 pre action.

Antonius (A) gets TT UTG+1. Bet 4100. Standard raise.
David Peat calls with A3.
Fold, fold to Dwan (D) who with KK pumps it up to 19.600. Not particularly unusual, he has quite a wide range for that, he's down a boat load of cash.
A calls of course.
Peat knows he's beat (haha! just made that one up!) and folds.

45.100 pot.
Flop: TQ4 Gin for A.
D checks. Seems to be standard in these games when having your raise called. Or when you hit top pair.
A bets 27k.
D calls. Also standard for him, rarely misses a turn.

99.100 pot.
Turn: K Trips over trips.
D checks. Can't really tell if this is a regular play, but I kinda think it is. Either giving up or hoping to call down some pair.
A bets 59k.
D fiddles with chips for a while, then orders all in for 231k.
A calls and loses after running it twice.

Now here's what I don't understand, partly Dwan's c/r on the turn, how could he think Antonius would make that call? Of course, there can come a lot of scary river cards, but still, why do he think Antonius is more inclined to call the turn and waiting for a blank and pretending to bluff the river?

Secondly, how the heck did Antonius then make the call? Dwan's range on the flop for calling is wide open, but unless he puts him on air, what does he think he's beating on the turn? AJ I don't think he'd put Dwan on. Trip 4s is a possibility. Two pair? Is that even an option?

Anyway, I'm just a bit baffled, to some extend I think they both did something wrong, but they're the high stakes pros, so it's more likely just your truly not understanding it.

Edit: Also kinda crossposting this, so if you notice, don't tell anyone

[Daragh999]

I think Dwan is concerned about protecting his hand as well as extracting value, if he just calls and a A/J/9 hits and PA bets big he won't know what to do. PA will call with alot of made hands like lower sets and 2 pairs Dwan probably thinks.

PA tanked it before calling meaning he really wasn't sure and said "I guess I have to call." He didn't want to but he beats too much of Dwans range to fold, Dwan is capable of having any combinations of 2 pair or pair + draw type hands so its a horrific spot for PA. I am amazed he thought for as long as he did.

[Enzown]

Dwan's range on all streets is pretty wide. He could easily be check/shoving the turn with a much weaker hand than Patriks.
You've got to remember too that these guys will have a logn history with each other so there's a lot of high level thinking going on about what's happened in past hands between them.

[Ondal]

So we can neither blame Dwan for check shoving or PA for calling?
And yes, they have huge history together both live and online, always find it entertaining when they bud heads

My guess on PA's tank thinking is: I know he wouldn't do this with air, because he knows I know it could be air, while he also knows I'll take this line of thought so it would be obvious to bluff me, but he wouldn't dare 'cause he knows I have a solid hand, unless he thinks I was bluff continuation betting the flop, so I have to call as he can't possibly be here with AJ and the king couldn't have made more than a pair or two, but he knows this too and knows that I know......(continue with Finnish accent)


Edit: Just watched the next episode: http://www.pokertube.com/free-poker-...0game&list=103
Dwan is nothing less than amazing. The way he pulls off that air bluff vs. Elezra is just beyond me.

[TCG1009]

lol Dwan is hilarious. His comment 3:20 in made me laugh pretty good. wp

[DRUK88]

Tom is merging his range on the turn.

[rrumsey]

few things i find interesting:
a.) im suprised peat folded. yah he is probably behind but he isnt getting a bad price to see the flop. plus he is a whack job anyways
b.) durrrr didnt polarize his range by cbetting. this may be a gameflow thing, but its uncommon for dwan to have a depolarized line OTF with a depolarized hand tbh. this is probably the top of his range for c/c in this spot
c.) as played i love the checked turn because it is a great card for PA's range. 2 pairs, st8s, makes more his weaker hands have more equity/
d.) durrr c/red. this may be a thin play. he is repping a very narrow range now. and tbh he is turning his top set into a semibluff on the turn. which is interesting. but i guess this is more of a delayed way of polarizing his range. also, if PA has something like 2 pair or a lower set he is going to think durrrr has a decent amount of air in his range

all and all i think it is well played by both.

[Ondal]

Originally Posted by DRUK88

Tom is merging his range on the turn.

What does that mean?

[Journeyman_1]

Originally Posted by Ondal

What does that mean?

it means he's adding to a range that would normally be made up of very strong hands or air/draws, a hand that is weaker than the 'strong' hands, but much stronger than air or semibluffs. in other words, he's adding a middle strength hand to a range that is or was comprised of bluffs and nuts.

[Ondal]

Well, that explains my original first question, why Dwan would c/r and expect a call. Brilliant move.