Can anyone explain this to me: Barry v durrrr on last HSP?

[Tony Harrison]

My question is basically regarding getting involved in big races in games where you have a big edge.

I was watching the most recent HSP episode this week, which is the one with the 900K+ pot between Barry and durrrr. Having watched all the episodes so far it seemed like Barry and durrr were playing better than anyone else at the table. So having said that, what i dont undertsand is why in this spot they would want to play almost a complete coinflip for a pot that size. Surely there has to be a better spot to get 400/500 bbs in than with AA vs top pair w/ flush draw?

Is it simply a case of once theres already money (from blinds/antes/other bets) in the pot then to get it in a race is always correct because of the added equity?

I thought about taking the example to an extreme for example if you sat at a 9 handed table with Phil Ivey and 8 people who had never played before - would you take same line against Phil in a similar situation? ....or is that completely different?

It's a concept i can't get my head around and i think im missing an obvious point - can anyone explain it?

[JohnLance]

Are you talking about the AA vs J9 hand? Because if so, Barry didn't have a flush draw I don't think.

[Clinton Henry]

No, he's talking about this hand:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtyjNNyYTXc

[99 Problems]

Did barry really feel he had a big edge on this game? I think he would be the first to admit that he felt he had an edge on some players but clearly is not a big favorite over the entire table.

And yes, the money went in the pot on stages, it's not likley he was going to get it all in with no significant pot already there.

[Pakman]

Sometimes u find spots to put monie in. Sometimes spots find u. It really is simple as that why they would just spin the wheel for 900k+. And yes, its not like there was a quarter on the table and they both dumped 450k+ to see who gets the $0.25. Every action was preceeded with more and more $ getting into the pot.

I'm not sure what u r asking for with the Phil Ivey question...

Phil in an uncapped cash game big enough to be worth his time, vs 8 dummies would def take any edge imo. He basically has an unlimited br, and his edge vs dummies are so huge its more like, if he loses a flip to a dummy, all that dummy is doing is holding Phil's monie lol. Phil would just get it back in a few rounds anyways. So in role playing Phil, I don't see wtf not. We just get their monie one way now or another way later.

But

The dummies should take every flip vs Phil they can. Getting it in 50/50 is way better then getting bluffed off by Phil or getting AI being crushed.

But

If its us + 7 dummies + Phil, then its all about our position at the table with Phil as the pivot point. If we are to his left outside his strike zone (not the BB when he has the button) then we would never do any flipping vs Phil unless its forced. Such as the Berry AA vs Tom KQs hand. Because as long as Phil is not in, then we are the best player in the world (atm vs the 7 dummies). As soon as Phil enters a pot, we can exit, because then we are no longer fishing, we are being fished. If we are sitting within 4 seats to the right of Phil, I would personally just rack up and get something to eat lol. ya know, why slam our skull on concrete? The only way I'm sitting to the right of Phil would be if the richest, dumbest, most predictable, poker playing moron that was ever born and will ever be born.... is to my immediate right, then I would consider staying. But then again, all we be doing is holding Phil's $ for Phil lol.

[apostle11]

Originally Posted by Pakman

Sometimes u find spots to put monie in. Sometimes spots find u. .

Exactly right! You are not looking to typically flip coins but its part of the game and you are definitely going to flip a coin if there is substantial dead money in a pot.

[DRUK88]

Generally speaking, if you are getting Even money on a call where you are a 55/45 favourite you must call. Folding in this spot is not a big laydown, its a big mistake.

This is why they play a pot this big, because the have to.

[Mattlanta]

i think that in this spot barry is always crushed or flipping the way it was played. it might have been better for him to just call the flop for some pot control being so deep and reevaluate the turn. I personally would play AA like this in 500 bb deep in my regular games.

also, after watching this hand again barry said.... "thats what i figured, guess i could have just taken one off."

i just think barry was really worried about getting bluffed on tv and took the most unexploitable line in the hand.

dunno if that answers the questions but that is my take on the hand.

[rrumsey]

I think barry flipped with durrrr because he felt like durrrr was running over the table and that he had to.

[JackHo]

It was a weird hand, and that youtube isn't working anymore my friend....