Weird Hand .25/.50 Home game.

[a10fouru]

Pass makes an interesting point...this is true for live play...you can make the wrong decision based on reads from another player if the other player doesn't know what he is doing.

This happened to me this past weekend:

$1/$2 at Harrah's New Orleans. Stack sizes are $700ish each. Player is a loose passive black guy that calls anything pre-flop.

I am dealt K6 UTG +1. I raise to $10. He calls on the button. All others fold.

Flop: 962. I lead for $13. He calls. Turn J. I check he bets $10. I call. River 2. I check. He bets $25. I took a little while as I really thought he was bluffing (this type of player makes small bluffs and huge value bets). I call and he says "I was just bluffing...I only had a 9" which he did and I lost. Point is: I knew he was bluffing because he thought he was bluffing. It's a weird dynamic - right call right reasons bad result. He did come from the $4/$8 limit game and that games plays way different than even 1/2 nlhe.

As a side note, Will Ferrell and Jason Sudeikis sat down and played for about an hour at the table next to me at about 1:30. Nice guys fun to be around.

[thayden]

Ok we raised k6 utg+1 in a low stakes live nl game...




We lost . Storychecksoutadments

[5carab]

Originally Posted by thayden

Ok we raised k6 utg+1 in a low stakes live nl game...




We lost . Storychecksoutadments

This!

[passthesugar]

Originally Posted by 5carab

This!

You guys are so harsh! Hahaha

Really tho a10 makes a good point cuz I run into this all the time. After playing lots of live Ive picked up on numerous tells. This spot always comes up where I know someone is bluffing/spazzing and I wanna bluff-catch with the bottom of my range. A buddy of mine always argue what the best play is in this spot.....Calling or Raising?

I respect 5carab, thayden and others so I'm curious what you guys think. Is it better to call or raise in the long term?

[Journeyman_1]

if he can "bluff" a 9, then raising is so good because thats basically the best hand he can have other than like J9 and occasionally a set. J9 may even fold to a raise (even though i doubt it)

[a10fouru]

If the table is folding a ton except this guy, easy raise.

[thayden]

IMO the problem with low limit players is there terrible bet sizing tendencies follow them through all aspects of there game. There preflop is sometimes ok flop is getting worse there turns are border line horrible and value bets are an abomination. Given that trend a competent players "thin value range" and the typical low limit players "thin value range" can be very polar. In this hand for instance we are facing a top pair hand how thin is that really? I have said it 1000 times but the key to making money is not check calling a marginal hand that we actually should not be playing honestly but instead we should be abusing our opponents tendencies to not be able to release a hand.

In this particular hand I'm going to be critical of A10 (he is a friend so sorry) but this is kinda the worse line to take. I obv hate preflop , leading the flop is fine once we got involved, but check calling 2 streets is and I know u know this a recipe for burning money. If we're gonna call why aren't we bet/folding this hand. You know there is almost no player who will raise the turn on a bluff at these stakes.

Back to pass really I hate bluff catching at low stakes unless I have a history with the player. If we think villain is bluffing I'm always inclined to raise as its unusual for many players to call or reraise with air. However these guys don't fold so honestly that's where the money is not really picking off bluffs.

[a10fouru]

I don't mind it at all. I'm not wild about my line either. Just a weird scenario when live reads are correct because other player doesn't know what he has.

I did play at a local casino Friday night where I wouldn't open that hand from that position. For me, it's all game flow. Friday night's game was on the aggressive side with 3 players being decent regs I recognized. Harrah's New Orleans (this table in particular) just seems to lend itself to opening a wider range of hands..but less three betting.