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Old 05-22-2010, 12:16 AM
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Default I was gonna ask about the volume too

That Levelator post is probably where it's at Huff (and not just Huff. but for all the PR shows)..... I'd really love to play my PokerRoad podcasts at work (so I can bore everyone in the kitchen with my poker-nerdiness), but none of them play loud enough to even hear (and my line is right where the radio is!).

I love the content, and I appreciate the hard work you guys do. If we get this volume thing taken care of, I'd appreciate it even more.

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Old 05-22-2010, 12:27 AM
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I love the content, and I appreciate the hard work you guys do. If we get this volume thing taken care of, I'd appreciate it even more.
Not only did they fix it for this week's episode, but they recorded the sound checks prior to the show and included it on the podcast. Show sounded great this week.
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Old 05-22-2010, 06:26 PM
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OP, the panel members connect via Skype. Because of this, their sound is compressed AND subject to the quality of microphones they use on their end. I disagree with the sound quality of Huff's voice, however -- his comes across fine on my end.

I've also found the compression to be more noticeable on smaller speakers. If I connect my iPod to my little InMotion speakers, the differences are magnified. (And that News Briefs drop is deafening.) If I listen through my earbuds, these are less apparent, although still there.
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Not only did they fix it for this week's episode, but they recorded the sound checks prior to the show and included it on the podcast. Show sounded great this week.
So did they not use Skype, not compress the audio, and get better microphones or were you talking out of your ass/making excuses in your earlier post?
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Old 05-22-2010, 11:36 PM
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So did they not use Skype, not compress the audio, and get better microphones or were you talking out of your ass/making excuses in your earlier post?
Hmmm... one at a time:

1. They did use Skype. Or at least a couple of them did in that episode (Michalski sounded like he was talking on a cell phone).

2. They didn't compress the panel's audio, Skype does that for them. 'Tis the nature of the beast when transmitting sound across the internet. Skype uses its own audio codec called SILK, which has a sample frequency of 24 kHz and a bit rate of 40kbps. Pretty damn good compared to almost any other phone or internet transmission, but it's still very compressed. As a result, the audio via Skype will be louder than the audio in the Bluff studio at the same peak volumes.

3. I can't speak about what microphones the panelists use, but Huff's mic is the same one he (and others) have used during Big Poker Sundays, Two Jacks, Poker Beat and specific PokerRoad episodes. The sound quality is fine, although the volume was a little softer than that of his guests. It's a professional studio -- Huff is not using a $14 Radio Shack microphone or a "Fisher Price" model that "third graders use for a class project."

Again, I don't know what microphones Welman, Nemeth or Wise use on their end of the Skype calls. For all I know, they ARE using Fisher Price specials. But I'll take whatever they're using -- it beats the cellphones from previous episodes. Even if they each hooked up low-impedance mics to an equalizer and noise gate, their sound would still be subject to the limitations of Skype. This said, it appears that Huff took extra care to adjust for these differences this week.

4. I wasn't "talking out of my ass." My profession is media relations, and I do a fair amount of work with a) broadcasting and b) professional audio. In both fields, a common issue is dealing with lossy formats (e.g. MP3). Too often, I battle with sound files -- music, voiceover, interviews -- that perform okay on small desktop speakers, or studio headphones, but reveal severe limitations when played on sound systems found in stadiums, arenas or large auditoriums.

I must admit my experience on the broadcasting side is more limited. Our station uses a Comrex Matrix, although I don't know much about that device's audio coding. My understanding is that it delivers an FM-quality range even across a POTS, but it would still be forced to compress it to 24 kbps to make this happen. Thus, we provide our station with two ISDN lines at our home stadium so they can at least transmit at a higher rate for home games.

5. I wasn't making excuses, so much as I was explaining a few nuances that exacerbated some of the problems. Believe me, the sound in that episode was very frustrating to me, too (and, as we found, to Huff himself), especially given the nature of that show's content. However, I try to take a more constructive approach of helping PokerRoad improve its product rather than spewing insulting rants about something PokerRoad provides free of charge and with relatively limited resources. Perhaps Huff thinks I'm being ironic or facetious when I say this, but I absolutely appreciate his efforts and his tenacity when it comes to all things PokerRoad.

Anyway, I hope this response is satisfactory to you. To be honest, I was surprised that my posts in this thread were singled out as somehow being disingenuous. I am confident that many others in these forums will vouch for me as a member in good standing. So anything I might say that is displeasing to you (or any other reader) was certainly not done in malice.
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Old 05-23-2010, 02:12 AM
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I woud just like to say great show guys!! That was the first time I got to listen, and I am hooked! Yes I felt the difference in volume levels, but it had no effect in the quality of your show. Can't wait for the next 1
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Old 05-24-2010, 07:14 PM
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+1 on the volume issue. I posted a thread similar to this on the Two Jacks forum. This is not an occassional problem. It's weekly, and it's been going on for over a year. I listen to all of my PR content in my car, and it's brutal if I get the slightest bit of wind noise, despite the fact that my pretty powerful stereo is cranked pretty damn high. In fact, high enough that I would hurt my ears listening to anything else at that level. Get that Levelator thingamajig and rock it!

Great job guys. Love the show.
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Old 05-27-2010, 09:16 PM
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Again, I don't know what microphones Welman, Nemeth or Wise use on their end of the Skype calls. For all I know, they ARE using Fisher Price specials. But I'll take whatever they're using -- it beats the cellphones from previous episodes.
The first time we used Skype, I "called" into the show via my MacBook Air, using the built-in microphone. Every time since then I've been using the Skype app on my iPhone -- so I'm using the exact same microphone that I've used on every other episode where I've called in the traditional way.

I am definitely *not* an audio engineer, and it is sometimes tough to give accurate sound levels when you're calm and relaxed at the start of the show. Sometimes we test the levels with a calm, relaxed voice, and then get heated and loud during the show. That's not a problem if you have an audio engineer, but when the host is juggling multiple tasks ...

Not trying to make excuses, just providing some additional facts.
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