Interesting 2-7TD spot...

[Phil Shaw]

This only took place at 15/30 but it seems like an interesting spot with multiple betting and drawing decisions all having some merit. Both players seem competent, with bestofiraq being on the more loose aggressive end of the spectrum. When the turn goes bet call it seem safe to assume these players intent to pat/draw 1 if i call. So, what is your prefered line? We could call and freeze in this large pot or draw smooth to the seven (but risk breaking the best hand) or raise for value and information, of course standing pat to calls/draws. But if you raise what are you doing to a three-bet (and does this change if the pot if hu/multiway)? It seems we would have to draw against a pat player but would you ever spend the extra bet capping to ensure we can do so with confidence as it would be a major coup for the inital bettor to knock out the player behind and make us break the best hand? Obviously some of this is opponent dependent, but please give general/readless advice as best you can. Also, if there if a preferred hand converter here please let me know for future posts.


Table 'Janequeo IV' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: bestofiraq ($352 in chips)
Seat 3: McPeanut ($810 in chips)
Seat 4: lokemupsally ($863 in chips)
Seat 5: Jackal69 ($499 in chips)
Seat 6: updog ($407.50 in chips)
updog: posts small blind $10
bestofiraq: posts big blind $15
*** DEALING HANDS ***
Dealt to Jackal69 [9h Kd 5c 2s Ah]
McPeanut: folds
lokemupsally: folds
Jackal69: raises $15 to $30
updog: raises $15 to $45
bestofiraq: raises $15 to $60
Betting is capped
Jackal69: calls $30
updog: calls $15
*** FIRST DRAW ***
updog: discards 2 cards
bestofiraq: discards 1 card
Jackal69: discards 3 cards [9h Kd Ah]
Dealt to Jackal69 [5c 2s] [3h Ts 7c]
updog: checks
bestofiraq: bets $15
Jackal69: raises $15 to $30
updog: calls $30
bestofiraq: raises $15 to $45
BBQbowser joins the table at seat #2
Jackal69: calls $15
updog: calls $15
*** SECOND DRAW ***
updog: discards 1 card
bestofiraq: discards 1 card
Jackal69: discards 1 card [Ts]
Dealt to Jackal69 [5c 2s 3h 7c] [9d]
updog: bets $30
bestofiraq: calls $30
I: ????

[Barry Greenstein]

The obvious, standard play is to call and draw one, especially since updog bet into two players. (I'm assuming he is going to rap pat.) One problem with raising is that I often am not able to use the information I get. (So I raise if I think I'm +EV putting more money in the pot.) updog might reraise with hands that I beat, trying to knock the other guy out and get me to break, and he may call with rough sevens and good eights trying to freeze me on my hand. If he wraps pat after I play aggressively, I still break.

Some key information: updog three-bet originally, drawing two. That indicates he had a good two-card draw to start. He then called two bets on the turn (before the second draw), after you raised a one-card drawer. So, he is drawing to a good hand here. Sometimes you have to eschew the fanciness and just call and draw, which is what I assume you did. I also assume that you regretted it afterward, and that's why you posted.

Barry

[Chris Vitch]

This is actually a really easy spot because of who the villain is, so its sort of a waste of a good discussion of a tough spot since if you know updog you absolutely just have to break here, he is way too nitty to not have you beat here, and he's probably so strong he simply has no hands he can break/fold in his betting range here.

[Mark Newhouse]

am i wrong in thinking we should fold this hand at any point before the flop?

[Chris Vitch]

Well, I definitely steal with it on the button, I'd fold for 2 more preflop against a BB who's capping range here is 1 card draws and pat hands I think, but BOI caps light in this spot so I think Phil did well here predraw.

[Ryan Daut]

updog is not leading an 8 here so raising/praying he breaks has no merit at all.
have to call and break.

i def raise predraw and calling 2 on button is prob fine. 1st draw play is standard

[Chris Vitch]

Hey Ryan,

Let's not go too crazy here, updog is going to bet out here with plenty of made 8s, in fact, that's sort of the problem, about his full range has us beat and none of it is really breakable, though I guess every now and then he might fold some 87 hand.

[Ryan Daut]

Originally Posted by Chris Vitch

Hey Ryan,

Let's not go too crazy here, updog is going to bet out here with plenty of made 8s, in fact, that's sort of the problem, about his full range has us beat and none of it is really breakable, though I guess every now and then he might fold some 87 hand.

yea i actually missed the "best of iraq draws 1 line"