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Old 12-16-2008, 04:05 PM
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Default Weird Spot with KQo (Day 2 $15k Bellagio)

At 500/1000 100 I get moved to a table with David Chiu and David Benyamine both on my right. Adam Katz (Akat11) is two to my left. Brett Richey is across the table. Everyone else I do not know. I started the day with 99k but have since ran bad and found myself at 33k. I blind down for almost 3 orbits not playing a single hand. I wanted to stop the bleeding and wait for good reshoving spots. At this table I was not thrilled with opening light with my stack. I have definitely created a tight image.

Here's some backstory on the two relevant players:

This Asian guy who I have never seen before and resembled George Takei from Star Trek a little bit has been 4xing every time he opens except once when he made it 3k and showed down AKo. I do not know if he intends to make it 3k with all his really strong hands. He has opening 4 other pots in these 3 orbits and gone to showdown 2 other times with KQs and 1010. I feel like he is seeing hands right not and is not that loose.

David Chiu has been opening a lot but has not been flatting much. The one time he flatted was when the Asian guy 4x'ed and he flatted AKs in the small blind. I assume David Chiu is still flatting a fair amount but against a 4x he is probably flatting tighter.

So the hand. The Asian guy raises to 4k from 3rd pos(8 handed) with a 100k stack. David Chiu flats in the small blind with 80k total. You have KQo with 28.5k. What's your play? Do you reshove? Do you think you have fold equity? Is it a profitable shove against a 4x and a sb flat? Can I ever flat? Should I fold?
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Old 12-16-2008, 10:35 PM
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I would definately fold here with the reads that you have. I find that ppl hate folding after they 4x, and that its usually a tighter/more defined range than if they 3x. I think with still 30bbs you have time to wair for other spots. As much as it sucks to fold live for so long, sometimes its teh best thing to do
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Old 12-17-2008, 08:32 AM
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I'd fold. You've seen him 4x 4 pots and in the 2 where you've seen his cards he showed KQs and TT -- typical 4x hands. He also 3x'ed AK, which is a bit strange from someone 4x'ing other hands. But you really have no evidence that this guy 4x's hands other than the typical 4x hands from players who vary their bet sizes according to hand strength (88-QQ,AK/AQ/KQ type hands). Those typical 4x hands are unlikely to fold to a shove here, and KQ has terrible equity against those hands. If this guy had been 3x'ing in all hands in which he opened and 3x'ed here, I would probably shove.
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