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Old 12-28-2008, 06:18 PM
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Default QQ vs three way all in, sunday second chance.

I am 99% sure I know what the correct move is here but I thought it would be fun for the sake of argument to talk about the hand.

PokerStars Game #23347603711: Tournament #127692474, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/12/28 19:07:54 ET
Table '127692474 183' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: The_Cam_Ron (6030 in chips)
Seat 2: Tobsen (2685 in chips)
Seat 3: Boykee (2235 in chips)
Seat 4: plattsburgh (2875 in chips)
Seat 5: jobscj (3450 in chips)
Seat 6: papadelpoker (570 in chips)
Seat 7: bcharwitch (3540 in chips)
Seat 8: meeks16 (2815 in chips)
Seat 9: thedudeLB (3015 in chips)
meeks16: posts small blind 25
thedudeLB: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to plattsburgh [Qh Qd]
The_Cam_Ron: folds
Tobsen: raises 100 to 150
Boykee: calls 150
plattsburgh: calls 150
jobscj: folds
papadelpoker: folds
bcharwitch: raises 3300 to 3450
meeks16: folds
thedudeLB: folds
Tobsen: calls 2535 and is all-in
Boykee: calls 2085 and is all-in
plattsburgh:??
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Old 12-28-2008, 11:38 PM
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id fold, id be pretty shocked if Boykee doesnt have KK+
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Old 12-29-2008, 06:06 AM
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This would be closer with KK, but probably still a fold.
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Old 12-29-2008, 06:33 AM
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id fold, id be pretty shocked if Boykee doesnt have KK+
Thats exactly why I flatted PF, Boykee's flat of EP raiser is usually QQ+ AKs+
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Old 12-29-2008, 07:26 AM
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Enh, I think this is a pretty trivial 3bet/call pre and a pretty trivial fold once all the action gets to you.
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Old 12-29-2008, 09:43 AM
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seems pretty straightforward...what jimmy said...
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Old 12-29-2008, 10:04 AM
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Thats exactly why I flatted PF, Boykee's flat of EP raiser is usually QQ+ AKs+
Am I supposed to know Boykee or any of the other players?

Barry

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Old 12-29-2008, 11:13 AM
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Am I supposed to know Boykee or any other the other players?

Barry
na Boykee is the only one i recognize and i barely even know him.
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Old 12-29-2008, 11:15 AM
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Thats exactly why I flatted PF, Boykee's flat of EP raiser is usually QQ+ AKs+
meh im not sure why you think its so tight, obv after all the action it is very tight, but i imagine its a lot wider then you said, 77+ AJs+ KQs+, maybe some other strong suited connectors.
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Old 12-29-2008, 05:08 PM
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meh im not sure why you think its so tight, obv after all the action it is very tight, but i imagine its a lot wider then you said, 77+ AJs+ KQs+, maybe some other strong suited connectors.
Im going to give you guys the reasoning I had for why I did what I did, which I assume all you guys figured out was folding.

The opening raise is fine, and if boykee had not flatted I most certainly would have three bet. Once he flats though I was almost looking to just flat so if someone behind me decided to get cute id get to see what boykee did first.
When bchar shoves I am calling 100% of the time once the other two ppl fold (if they do) because it seems like an obvious AK, because I feel like AA would not be able to shove like that because hes not a reg and probably does not think that deeply. Not to mention my hand is really underrepped.

Once tobsen calls the all in as well as boykee theres no way I can continue with this hand, so I folded.

As for the results, I midjudged boykee and the other two have notes now because of this.

I lost the complete HH because I just posted this but I remember what they had.

I am 99% sure I know what the correct move is here but I thought it would be fun for the sake of argument to talk about the hand.

PokerStars Game #23347603711: Tournament #127692474, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/12/28 19:07:54 ET
Table '127692474 183' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: The_Cam_Ron (6030 in chips)
Seat 2: Tobsen (2685 in chips)
Seat 3: Boykee (2235 in chips)
Seat 4: plattsburgh (2875 in chips)
Seat 5: jobscj (3450 in chips)
Seat 6: papadelpoker (570 in chips)
Seat 7: bcharwitch (3540 in chips)
Seat 8: meeks16 (2815 in chips)
Seat 9: thedudeLB (3015 in chips)
meeks16: posts small blind 25
thedudeLB: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to plattsburgh [Qh Qd]
The_Cam_Ron: folds
Tobsen: raises 100 to 150
Boykee: calls 150
plattsburgh: calls 150
jobscj: folds
papadelpoker: folds
bcharwitch: raises 3300 to 3450
meeks16: folds
thedudeLB: folds
Tobsen: calls 2535 and is all-in
Boykee: calls 2085 and is all-in
plattsburgh: folds


Tobsen: 99
Boykee: JJ
bcharwitch: AK

The results dont really matter, but I thought this spot was interesting because I think QQ is good here only like 10% of the time at best, this being one of the cases.

Even though my hand was really underrepped, I still think this is a good fold in the long run.

Also Barry, Boykee is a regular, who was mentored by thorladen. He is a really solid player.
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