25/50 live at bellag...tricky spot...floor ruling involved...

[David Paredes]

25/50 full-ring on a sat. evening at bellagio. I had just moved from the 10/20 (finally got off waitlist) so I had only been playing in the game 1.5hrs or so. I was up approximately 10k with only one hand shown down, where I checked flop behind from the btn with QJ after having raised a bunch of limpers, called a CO turn bet on a Q10xx board, and chked a river back and won v. the CO's AJ. My image is probably slightly aggressive, but nothing out of line.

The villain in the hand is Julian, who i had not played with before, youngish guy who seemed like a regular since many knew him. He had made some comments throughout the session alluding to other players sucking out on him, so he seemed a quite steamed up (it could have been somewhat of an act but based I really felt he was quite a bit tilted--he was continually cursing, complaining, etc.). Only hand I played against him was when I raised CO, SB and BB (villain) called. Flop was Q53hh, chk, villain led for 500, I made it 2k, SB and BB (after some thought) folded.

Hand in question is 11k eff. stacks. I raise to 200 UTG with 64dd, two callers, julian makes it 1k straight, folds to me. Normally this is an easy dump but I picked up a little tell that led me to believe he was not super strong in this situation (I thought his range was very wide). Obviously I know it's a leak to call preflop here under almost any circumstance and I understand that so please limit comments to post-flop. I call, two folds.

(2475) Flop comes 5d4h2h, two hearts, one diamond. I check, he bets 4k. He has 6k behind. I think for a while, study, and toss a 10k bundle into the pot (I did not say all in). Now the dealer looks confused so I announce all in--someone at the table says "that's a call", I start to protest, they call the floor over, and this is when it gets somewhat interesting (julian says to me: you want to go all in right? and acts fairly confidently--seeming as though he wants to call). The floor comes over and tell me that since it's in a bundle it's a call. If I had broken out the bills it would have been a shove. W/e.

(10475) Turn is a Qh. What is your play here? I thought for a while, and checked, although I was very very close to shoving but my reasoning was that he would be tempted to call with any pair+heart (which he might fold to a river shove), and I could shove the river more profitably. I was planning on shoving any non-ace river as I thought his hand included a lot of Ax hands. He thinks for a while and checks it back.

River is Ad Qh5d4h2h. What is your play and why? Do I ever have showdown value? What is his most likely holding? What is the worst hand he can call me with?

thx (first post here but have been lurking for a while).

david

[Barry Greenstein]

Of course it's easier to say now, but I think you had to shove the turn. It's critical to know if he was really interested in calling your raise on the flop or if he was faking? It's often a fakeout in these situations, so I would just shove the turn since there is too much in there.

I would check the river, but I don't know what to do if he bets. He shouldn't check the turn if he had you beat, but with a middle pair (a non-typical three-betting hand) the heart may have scared him. If he beat you with the Ace then there is no reason to bet or call his bet. If he has King-Jack or something else that didn't pair, then we should check and call his bluff.

Barry

[Amit Makhija]

shove turn, it hits so much of your semibluffing range on the flop and hes going to hate this card and make a big fold often, preflop is terrible in my opinion, you're out of position with a lot of $ behind, if you put him on a wide range then why not 4bet pre? its pretty hard to play this hand oop vs a range of any two cards even, checking the turn and betting the river doesnt give you more fold equity, it makes your line non credible and is quite likely to get snapped off by anyone decent at hand reading. I don't like check calling the river vs most, and I dont think your hand has much showdown value but i still dont love turning your hand into a bluff after you checked the turn. I prob just give up.