Weird hand from the 3k NL scoop

[Matt Vengrin]

Hey guys, just a little background. I had been semi agressive as of late, but nothing too far out of line. I have very little info on the agressor besides the fact hes from some random country. Anyways, let me know what you guys think about the flop, turn, and what the hell to do on the river:

PokerStars Game #26775423665: Tournament #200904083, $3000+$150 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (350/700) - 2009/04/06 0:00:05 ET
Table '200904083 12' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: plattsburgh (57465 in chips)
Seat 2: hervios (53402 in chips)
Seat 3: LeoFernandez (21005 in chips)
Seat 4: BeL0WaB0Ve (12200 in chips)
Seat 5: alwaysnice (47637 in chips)
Seat 6: Daut44 (63291 in chips)
Seat 7: Babooyah (30558 in chips)
Seat 8: DonRane (20708 in chips)
Seat 9: #1PEN (20663 in chips)
plattsburgh: posts the ante 85
hervios: posts the ante 85
LeoFernandez: posts the ante 85
BeL0WaB0Ve: posts the ante 85
alwaysnice: posts the ante 85
Daut44: posts the ante 85
Babooyah: posts the ante 85
DonRane: posts the ante 85
#1PEN: posts the ante 85
LeoFernandez: posts small blind 350
BeL0WaB0Ve: posts big blind 700
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to plattsburgh [Qh Qd]
alwaysnice: folds
Daut44: folds
Babooyah: folds
DonRane: folds
#1PEN: folds
plattsburgh: raises 880 to 1580
hervios: calls 1580
LeoFernandez: folds
BeL0WaB0Ve: calls 880
*** FLOP *** [2h 5h 5c]
BeL0WaB0Ve: checks
plattsburgh: bets 4280
hervios: calls 4280
BeL0WaB0Ve: folds
*** TURN *** [2h 5h 5c] [2d]
plattsburgh: checks
hervios: checks
*** RIVER *** [2h 5h 5c 2d] [3d]
plattsburgh: bets 9380
hervios: raises 38077 to 47457 and is all-in
plattsburgh: ??

[Bryan Devonshire]

Poker Stars $3000+$150 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t350/t700 Blinds + t85 - 9 players - View hand 89042
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Hero (CO): t57465 M = 31.66
hervios (BTN): t53402 M = 29.42
LeoFernandez (SB): t21005 M = 11.57
BeL0WaB0Ve (BB): t12200 M = 6.72
alwaysnice (UTG): t47637 M = 26.25
Daut44 (UTG+1): t63291 M = 34.87
Babooyah (UTG+2): t30558 M = 16.84
DonRane (MP1): t20708 M = 11.41
#1PEN (MP2): t20663 M = 11.38

Pre Flop: (t1815) Hero is CO with Q Q
5 folds, Hero raises to t1580, hervios calls t1580, 1 fold, BeL0WaB0Ve calls t880

Flop: (t5855) 2 5 5 (3 players)
BeL0WaB0Ve checks, Hero bets t4280, hervios calls t4280, BeL0WaB0Ve folds

Turn: (t14415) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, hervios checks

River: (t14415) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets t9380, hervios raises to t47457 all in

[Matt Vengrin]

I guess its important to discuss what kind of range you think he has here by the river.

[Jimmy Fricke]

Bet the turn. There's so much value and it makes the hand a lot easier to play.

As played it's a ****ty spot, how long did it take him to shove the river? If it took a long time I'm more inclined to call but I certainly think you're not good here very often with how big his shove was for.

[Bryan Devonshire]

I like a turn bet too.

I think the timing of his turn check is crucially important to this read. The longer he thought on the turn the less likely I would be to call river, although if he snap checks the turn I'd be wary also.

[Todd Terry]

I'd need a strong read that this guy makes durrrr look like a nit to call the river here, I just don't think people bluff here in this spot too often, especially for their entire stack in a $3K buy-in event. You're folding the top of your range (since I don't think there's any difference between QQ and AA here), it's exploitable, whatever. I think whether to bet the turn in the absence of any reads/history is close. Looking forward to Devo's next article "Normally Distributed Calling Frequencies as a Function of Opponent's Time Taken to Check Behind".

[Bryan Devonshire]

LOL seriously though. I think timing tells are severely underrated and honestly if I was in this spot it's basically what would swing my decision either way. It's close enough that we need other information and since it's not live we don't have much to go on.

edit: and the actual article on timing tells will never be published, but it is written.

[Matt Vengrin]

He shoved the river super fast FYI, like INSTA after I raised.

[Christian Harder]

ur flop bet is a little too much imo. Also just go bet/bet/bet ez game. As played fold the river i guess :/