Razz Hand, Stars $200 HORSEament

[Bryan Devonshire]

Hi. Is third okay or should we just be folding?

Now what on 4th?

This is about 36 left, money at 16.

Tournament - HORSE - Razz - Level XIII (1,000/2,000), Ante 200, Bring-In 300 (converter)

Seat 1: 10,174
Seat 2: 4,998
Hero: 13,699
Seat 4: 15,677
Seat 5: 19,945
Seat 6: 15,824
Seat 7: 29,547
Seat 8: 7,320

3rd Street - (1.60 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 8___folds
Seat 2: xx xx 4___folds
Hero: 6 2 7___calls
Seat 4: xx xx Q___brings-in___folds
Vil 5: xx xx 3___calls___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 5___folds
Vil 7: xx xx A___raises
Seat 8: xx xx 4___calls

4th Street - (5.90 SB)

Hero: 6 2 7 J___Hero?
Vil 5: xx xx 3 T___bets
Vil 7: xx xx A Q___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 4 Q___raises

[Chris Vitch]

Your hand is so dead on 3rd, seems like an easy fold. Once you get to 4th things have gotten at least marginally better, I don't see how you can fold now.

[Joe Tall]

This is hand is trap. What do you need to improve 762? The 5s, 4s, 3s and Aces, and that's what the board reads, as you are not going to want catch an 8(762)-bleh. Never mind you have the worst door card showing. Dodge this bullet with a fold on 3rd.

On 4th, you'd rather have a Q than that J, fold.

[Joe Tall]

Giving you the most favorable situation:

Giving the 3 door a range of unpaired-9 or less, A-door unpaired 8 or less, 4 door unpaired 8 or less.

3rd:
dead cards: 548Q
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
726 20.63% 78,255 961
(9-8-3) 22.92% 86,937 1,046
(8-8-A) 26.87% 101,954 1,158
(8-8-4) 29.58% 112,383 1,039


4th:
dead cards: 548Q
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
726J 20.50% 72,330 561
(9-8-3T) 25.80% 91,139 527
(8-8-AQ) 25.49% 89,957 660
(8-8-4Q) 28.21% 99,660 564

Giving the Ace door unpaired 7 or less, and the 3-door unpaired 8 or less:

3rd:
dead cards: 548Q
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
726 19.45% 59,426 771
(8-8-3) 24.72% 75,593 865
(7-7-A) 28.59% 87,420 1,028
(8-8-4) 27.24% 83,374 788

4th:
dead cards: 548Q
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
726J 19.45% 61,831 544
(8-8-3)T 27.60% 87,782 691
(7-7-A)Q 26.66% 84,771 737
(8-8-4)Q 26.29% 83,682 554

[Joe Tall]

Originally Posted by Chris Vitch

Once you get to 4th things have gotten at least marginally better, I don't see how you can fold now.

Nothing has improved, in fact it's worse, Qs are dead, so the Jack is no good and there's going to be a 3-bet by the T-door too often here and we are caught in the middle.

[Justin Bonomo]

Originally Posted by Joe Tall

On 4th, you'd rather have a Q than that J, fold.

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[Justin Bonomo]

FWIW, I agree 3rd should be a fold because all of our best outs are dead.

[Joe Tall]

Originally Posted by Justin Bonomo

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Regardless, it's a fold. Having the case Q is about the same as having the J equity wise, I thought it was going to be a bit better since we obv cannot pair it but we are too far behind the T-door, and will likely have to pay 3-bets to continue.