REPOST: Online Poker Tournaments: Poker Tracker / Hold'em Manager

[100% HUSTLE]

if you don't use some kinda HUD now days, you are giving up an edge to people you don't even know you are giving an edge to....that's something to think about.

it's even scarier to think that "little timmy" in bum f*ck,ark can not only track your hand/betting patterns but also play "perfect" poker against your ranges/betting patts. too.

not fair, i know
but neither is life nor poker for that matter.

[PoKeez8ullet]

I find that HUD is less useful for online fast structure tournament. But it is very useful for cash games.
But tracking tool is very valuable whether it is cash games or tournament.
I use HEM.

[TeddyKGB]

im sure there are many more sophisticated ways to use pokertracker, but Im new to it and still in trial period. one thing that def works is when you have stats on a loose player say of 30 to 40% VPIP, if you can sit to his left you can isolate reraise all day, this is making a big difference in my game in low stakes limit holdem.

[HowMuchYouGotLeft]

so what happens when one goes to a casnio and have not got a device which gives you a person's stats? I personally think it makes one into a better player if you can play without using all the tools which makes things easier for you.... Im sure its very useful for anyalyising one's own play but then when you use it to decide whther to call or raise I think it lowers one's development ..

However as people stated you dont want to lose an edge when everyone is using it. I use those tools just to see how my image is percived and then play different to what my stats show agaisnt certain players I figure use it alot.

[DRUK88]

If you keep changing gears, you can basically use the information they have in front of them against them.

I think when people use this type of software they start to rely on them far more heavily than everything else (betting patterns, timing tells) etc.

Also, I think it results in them stop taking notes, as if these stats are "all they need". But this leads them to stop thinking about what a player has when he calls in the BB and check raises Ace high boards, how much they raise with good hands in comparision to weak hands etc etc.

So, if they are going to OVERUSE this software, you playing a natural game where you pay more attention to the more important information, you may actually have the edge.

If you run it and it says they have VPIP of 40%, u really won't see this anyway urself? Although I admit it can be very useful when multitabling a lot of tables, but again, you don't really need it at the low limits as ABC yields profit anyway, and the players higher up keep changing gears anyway?

EDIT: This is not a rant, I have just read it and it seems a bit rambly. I was basically just typing my thoughts as I was thinking them

[rkanthony]

Originally Posted by scott diamond

Anything that gives a player an advantage should not be allowed.One does not have such a tool playing in a live tournament.

I think this is true. It should not be allowed because some even do not know that such tools exists. I am of the opinion that it is unfair to use such tools while taking part at an online poker tournament. I actually love playing Texas Hold em and this should be possible without such tools. But I guess there are many different opinions regarding such tools.

[PokerViking]

Originally Posted by rkanthony

I think this is true. It should not be allowed because some even do not know that such tools exists.

Ignorance should not be a reason to ban something? If we were both digging a hole, and I was using a shovel (a tool) and u were not, because u didn't know shovels existed.....is that a valid reason to ban shovels?

[Escalante]

Originally Posted by PokerViking

Ignorance should not be a reason to ban something? If we were both digging a hole, and I was using a shovel (a tool) and u were not, because u didn't know shovels existed.....is that a valid reason to ban shovels?

+1. Nice analogy. And pretty dam funny.

[a10fouru]

Agree with the above. If one of your live tools is the ability to perceive body language, tightened lips, etc. because you studied it or even took a course or are an FBI interrogator, just because it gives you an advantage doesn't mean it should be banned.

[PokerNations]

PokerTracker is worthless if you don't know how to use it. It doesn't magically make you win every pot, succeed at every bluff or view your opponents hole cards.

Just because I've read Harrington on Hold Em and many of my opponents haven't in a live setting, does that mean casino employees should visit Barnes & Noble and burn those books?