REPOST: Aces against Dwan and Eastgate on HSP Season 5 - Page 3

P-Wolf · #21 (**permalink**) 03-10-2009, 05:23 PM

The way I see it is that you have three different types of players, each one's playing style influences the way the others play. Barry, to me, seems to be very much a nuts-or-nothing type of player. I'm not saying that this is all there is to his game, only that the majority of hands that he has played in HSP has appeared to be a nuts-or-nothing situation. Eastgate on the other hand definitely appears to be playing with scared money, either that or he has decided to allow the more aggressive players to bleed their stacks into him when he hits.

The "x" factor in the entire equation is Tom. I get the impression from watching Tom that he is playing essentially against everyone else, his cards being only a secondary consideration at times. He bets and raises with a wide range, hiding his monsters, and putting everyone else out of their comofort zone. Tom is playing between their ears. He knows that even if Eastgate has the 2, unless it's a strong 2, he is willing to fold to pressure. Barry shouldn't have anything to do with a deauce in that situation, not the way Barry plays. Tom is representing a nuts-or-nothing situation for both Eastgate's and/or Barry's stacks, you either think he is full of it or you back out. Eastgate backs out leaving Barry to play the safe course and look for a better spot.

PokerAngel · #22 (**permalink**) 03-10-2009, 05:54 PM

This is a hand that has been hard for me to understand. Durr's range is so wide. It did not seem likely that he had a duece in the situation. It did seem likely that Eastgate had the deuce when he just flatted the flop.

What is he flatting there with is what I am asking?

It was highly likely that after Durrrr bet the 100,000 or so on the turn, and Eastgate thought about it, then folded, that he had the deuce.

In Barry's position, The bet was basically all in. Did he think Durr had a Deuce, What was the flop call? I do not understand if Barry thought his hand was good on the flop or not or if he was fiquring out information.

I think that also Eastgate should have reraised the flop to see where he was.

We all know how agressive Durr is. I think that Durr played very well on that hand and got the two best hands to fold.

DaLimitguy · #23 (**permalink**) 03-10-2009, 06:13 PM

The Fact of the matter is Barry needs to stop playing Cash games coz he plays scared like a puppy, he's way overrated. I'm not trying to flame Barry here I'm just stating facts here, I know yall love Barry so am I but when I saw that hand played out, I'm pretty sure he's not the good poker player I used to adore.

kakon2 · #24 (**permalink**) 03-10-2009, 06:57 PM

i dont know why you would want to reraise him on the flop if peter folds, like other said once peter called i think the flop should be a fold. and i think the fold on the turn is good since its really hard to think that tom is trying to get peter to fold trips.

scott diamond · #25 (**permalink**) 03-10-2009, 06:58 PM

Ok I have to retype this again because this forum only gives you so much time to post and I am tired of having to rewrite things.

The greatest thing about this Country is we can give an opinion openly and free due to our first amendment rights. We can debate issues with one another and truly speak our minds.

How many of you who are critiquing Barry's play here have actually played in a Poker game with hundred of thousands of dollars?

This is not a 2-5 or 10-20 NL game, where one can afford to lose a grand or two on a hand.

We are talking about $140,000.00 possible loss here for Barry. The 40k in the pot and the $104,000.00 raise on the turn by Dwan.

This even to HSP Players is a huge anount of cash and when you have responsibilities in life it chnges your decisions at times. Barry did not become succesful by ****ing away money.

Dwan does not have those responsibilities in life know and can play reckless, his ego needs it.

Ask any older pro who was at that table and see if they do not do the same as Barry.

Justin in the red pro forum disagrees with Barry's thought process here. Another young Gun. I like the way Justin thinks and plays at times but I disagree with him here.

Rx Cowbell · #26 (**permalink**) 03-10-2009, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LvOverRide

Meant to post this in this thread.

Okay, I want to write a little bit more in depth about this hand, simply because it's such a fascinating and deeply analytical situation....

So to go over the hand, I think there were three spots, and three spots only, that I can call out-and-out mistakes. Those would be Eastgate's preflop call, Dwan's flop raise, and Greenstein's call. There are some decisions I wouldn't have made in this hand, but they weren't wrong enough to be out-and-out "bad".

And of course, Dwan's turn bet is absolutely 100% brilliant. Say what you want about the kid, but the guy has heart. Gotta respect that.

I just wanted to comment that this a brilliant post. Good work.

DaLimitguy · #27 (**permalink**) 03-10-2009, 08:56 PM

I think Barry should have beg High Stakes Poker executives to cut these scenes coz Barry just lost all his credibility of being a top notch Poker player, pls retire Barry its the only sensible thing to do. Pokerroad will suffer coz Barry aint got the groove anymore.

scott diamond · #28 (**permalink**) 03-10-2009, 09:01 PM

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think Barry should have beg High Stakes Poker executives to cut these scenes coz Barry just lost all his credibility of being a top notch Poker player, pls retire Barry its the only sensible thing to do. Pokerroad will suffer coz Barry aint got the groove anymore.
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BMW2000 · #29 (**permalink**) 03-10-2009, 09:06 PM

I really like these threads since I came here to learn and these threads are where I can test myself. As long as people are respectfully critiquing the hand - not trashing anyone personally.

I was finally able to listen to all of Barry’s comments – if you haven’t listened to them, you really should – especially if you disagree with the way this was played. I was wondering if Barry thought there was any chance Peter was calling with a 10 and it sounded like he did think it was a possibility which would make his hand good assuming Tom raises with anything. Doesn't that in itself justify a call on the flop to see what comes next especially since the pot size was what you want to win when you have A’s….

Had Barry moved all-in (or Eastgate stayed in and played his hand) I wonder how this thread would go. Would Tom seem so smart? I also wondered what would have happened had Doyle had Peters hand…. THAT would have been fun!

It seems to me it came down to a 50/50 situation once Eastgate folds since Barry could only beat a bluff. He wasn’t willing to risk an additional $200K on 50/50 – That’s a personal decision and I don’t think anyone can fault him for that.

DurkaDurkaDurka · #30 (**permalink**) 03-10-2009, 09:11 PM

cliffs notes.

Eastgate was playing way too deep and messed up Barry in this hand. BG eventually made the correct fold altho the prior decisions are up for debate. Durrrr played the hand great and forced the better hands to fold despite his reputation.

DDD