REPOST: PLO Hand 400-800 8 game at Stars

[Hernan Salazar]

I play the following hand at Stars 400-800 8 game.

$100/$200 Pot Limit Omaha Hi • 6 Players

UTG nicksss $20,974

UTG+1 Hero $15,588

CO barryg1 $35,261

BTN TheTakeover $43,570

SB Boosted J $41,356.50

BB oogee $20,000


Pre-Flop ($300, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1

A 3 K 4

1 fold, Hero raises to $600, barryg1 calls $600, 1 fold, Boosted J raises to $2,600, 1 fold, Hero calls $2,000, barryg1 calls $2,000

Flop ($8,000, 3 players)

9 J Q

Boosted J checks, Hero bets $7,997, barryg1 calls $7,997, Boosted J goes all-in $38,756.50,

What is your action here? Can you find a fold? What do you think about the Pot bet on the flop?

[Journeyman_1]

I personally see Barry having a set here very often. Boosted could very well have a SF, and i know that looks quite obvious, and very low level thinking. it could be possible that he has K8JJ/QQ, and decides that noone can have the SF and decide to ship it with either the best hand or have outs to a full house. either way we dont have enough left to not get it in with the second nuts, and with all that money in there.

I have some problems with calling the 3 bet here, its just not that strong of a hand, but maybe i have turned into a nit since iv been losing and not playing I think the pot bet on the flop is ok, there arent too many hands people are folding to 8k as opposed to 4-5k

[TeddyKGB]

ship it. if boosted had a SF why would he want to push you and in particular barry out of the hand at this juncture, i think he would make a bet or call that allows barry in particular to stay in, bc barry still has a lot behind, also all that interest in the flop most likely means dudes have much of it making an eventual paired board less likely you got half your dang stack in there already, you have too much equity in this hand and not too much more behind relative all that cheese, I think you gotta call at over 4 to 1.

[DennisG90]

Agree to what has been said in previous posts.
Personally, i dont put Justin on a flopped str8 flush, as Barry has got like 23k left and why should he chase him away with his pot raise all-in, i just dont see it with stone cold nuts. IMO, he would rather let Barry see more cards and prolly let him make his full house and then get the money in. Of course, Justin knows these thoughts too, and might do the "I know that you know that i think" and make the reverse play, who knows, hes def capable of doing this.
Still, we should never fold there, Hernan, we have like 4k left and theres too much equite for us plus too much money in the pot. Barry has a much deeper stack and must be thinking at least twice about a call.
BTW: I like the pot bet on flop, ppls are prolly putting you less often on nuts or 2nd nuts doing this, rather a set. On the other hand, if you really consider folding here, you would get away from your hand much easier having bet like 3 or 4k, youd see all the action behind you and have a decent stack left.

[Rant2112]

I must really suck at PLO because this seems retardedly obvious to me.

There's only one hand we're behind. We crush everything else. Our hand isn't completely obvious so I don't see how Boosted's bet means he has that one hand even nearly often enough to matter.

We're getting at least 2:1.

I'm very confused.

[99 Problems]

Originally Posted by Rant2112

I must really suck at PLO because this seems retardedly obvious to me.

There's only one hand we're behind. We crush everything else. Our hand isn't completely obvious so I don't see how Boosted's bet means he has that one hand even nearly often enough to matter.

We're getting at least 2:1.

I'm very confused.

there are two combinations of straight flushes out there, and we are only a slight favorite over a set for one guy and a straight flush draw for the other (~56%) Also remember, this is PLO, the nuts (what ever it may be) is exponentially more possible given the number of cards dealt to each player.

All of that being said I find it tough to believe you would check raise with the immortal nuts. However; his original intention, having the nuts, may have been to check call the flop and get it in on the turn, but when both opponents show tremendous strength (a pot and flat call of the pot bet) he could very likely assume that at least one of them has a set and would be getting the right price to call if he ships it.

All that being said, I just don't think you can lay it down for your last 5k, getting nearly 8:1

[Rant2112]

I haven't been able to find any two hands (besides the made straight flush) that get Hero's equity below 64.3%. Is there a specific example?

[99 Problems]

Originally Posted by Rant2112

I haven't been able to find any two hands (besides the made straight flush) that get Hero's equity below 64.3%. Is there a specific example?

56.76% against-
QQxx / JJxx- 37.69%
T7xx / 87xx - 5.56%

[BMW2000]

While trying to learn new games I haved railed BarryG and Mike Matusow often and by default, have watched Justin play quite a bit. I've been quite impressed. He is a solid player and the few times I've seen him shove he has shown up with nothing less than the absolute nuts. Hard to believe he would shove against 2 players without it... Especially since he and Barry's stacks are similar.

His actions tell me he isn't worried about trips improving or a nut flush. Hard lay down, the math is there and I couldn't do it but it wouldn't surprise me at all if Justin had the SF....

Tough hand. No matter what you do, you end up lying awake wondering of it was the right thing or not.

[5carab]

I think he has the nuts here quite often, but equally he could hold a s/f draw (T7) and top set, decide that there's gonna be a 3-way all in and that he's getting a good price in that case.

I don't know his game v. well, but personally I would lead a s/f in his spot because he doesn't hold the A and by doing so he ensures that anyone with the nut flush is going broke 100% of the time. Clearly they would move in on him if he leads.

Overall, I think he shows up without the nuts often enough to make the call a profitable one, although it's probably a crying call.

I didn't see Barry's stack when saying this. He can't expect Barry all in with so much on the table. However, he may decide that he's willing to gamble with the dead money in the pot... However, the fact it won't be a 3-way all in means the nuts is more likely imo.