REPOST: Weird hand from the 3k NL scoop

Matt Vengrin · #1 (**permalink**) 04-07-2009, 04:31 AM

Hey guys, just a little background. I had been semi agressive as of late, but nothing too far out of line. I have very little info on the agressor besides the fact hes from some random country. Anyways, let me know what you guys think about the flop, turn, and what the hell to do on the river:

PokerStars Game #26775423665: Tournament #200904083, $3000+$150 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (350/700) - 2009/04/06 0:00:05 ET
Table '200904083 12' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: plattsburgh (57465 in chips)
Seat 2: hervios (53402 in chips)
Seat 3: LeoFernandez (21005 in chips)
Seat 4: BeL0WaB0Ve (12200 in chips)
Seat 5: alwaysnice (47637 in chips)
Seat 6: Daut44 (63291 in chips)
Seat 7: Babooyah (30558 in chips)
Seat 8: DonRane (20708 in chips)
Seat 9: #1PEN (20663 in chips)
plattsburgh: posts the ante 85
hervios: posts the ante 85
LeoFernandez: posts the ante 85
BeL0WaB0Ve: posts the ante 85
alwaysnice: posts the ante 85
Daut44: posts the ante 85
Babooyah: posts the ante 85
DonRane: posts the ante 85
#1PEN: posts the ante 85
LeoFernandez: posts small blind 350
BeL0WaB0Ve: posts big blind 700
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to plattsburgh [Qh Qd]
alwaysnice: folds
Daut44: folds
Babooyah: folds
DonRane: folds
#1PEN: folds
plattsburgh: raises 880 to 1580
hervios: calls 1580
LeoFernandez: folds
BeL0WaB0Ve: calls 880
*** FLOP *** [2h 5h 5c]
BeL0WaB0Ve: checks
plattsburgh: bets 4280
hervios: calls 4280
BeL0WaB0Ve: folds
*** TURN *** [2h 5h 5c] [2d]
plattsburgh: checks
hervios: checks
*** RIVER *** [2h 5h 5c 2d] [3d]
plattsburgh: bets 9380
hervios: raises 38077 to 47457 and is all-in
plattsburgh: ??

99 Problems · #2 (**permalink**) 04-07-2009, 10:01 AM

I hate the check on the turn, it really complicates the hand. If you lead the turn and he calls again you could possibly check/fold bet/fold the river. Now you're not sure if the guy has a 5, KK, or just 88-JJ or a busted flush draw. The 5 comes into play with suited connectors and A5 because of the smallish raise, I don't mind it but you need to know this is a function of the preflop raise size.

How often did he see you c-bet OOP and then check the turn? How often did you c-bet OOP (with or without a hand) I think the more frequently you did this the more his range skews towards hands you have beaten.

If he has a hand in this range a 5 or the flush draw are obviously most likely to check behind as he has no fear of the flush or is looking to hit it.

I would probably lean towards him having TT or JJ or a busted flush draw here and make the call, but I don't think folding is ever a big mistake. I think if any money went in on the turn it is a clear fold.

uncforte · #3 (**permalink**) 04-07-2009, 10:12 AM

This is a really tough spot IMO as I think his range is likely polarized between the nuts and complete air. It's hard to imagine him showing up with AA given how the hand played and that would be a horrible line I think. It's hard to imagine too many hands that he could have
A5 and A2 suited are clearly in his range as is A4 hearts (or diamonds I just can't remember which once had two on flop), and 65 suited obviously. I think given the structure I probably fold but really interested to hear what you did/what he had.

5carab · #4 (**permalink**) 04-07-2009, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by uncforte

This is a really tough spot IMO as I think his range is likely polarized between the nuts and complete air. It's hard to imagine him showing up with AA given how the hand played and that would be a horrible line I think. It's hard to imagine too many hands that he could have
A5 and A2 suited are clearly in his range as is A4 hearts (or diamonds I just can't remember which once had two on flop), and 65 suited obviously. I think given the structure I probably fold but really interested to hear what you did/what he had.

I think his range is even more polarized. I doubt he ships it here with a 2 or a straight. I can't believe he expects to be called by worse or fold better.

Pickup_Styx · #5 (**permalink**) 04-07-2009, 11:07 AM

i hit time bank and end up calling.

Spursrchamps · #6 (**permalink**) 04-07-2009, 01:33 PM

you can really only beat a bluff here. his check on the turn looks pretty suspicious; i doubt he would check with anything other than a full house in that spot especially after the check call of the near pot-sized bet on the flop. but like another poster said above - i think he either has the nuts or nothing.

i'd fold.

HowMuchYouGotLeft · #7 (**permalink**) 04-08-2009, 07:20 AM

I also wouldnt be surprised if he has pocket 3's. Therefore call on the flop makes sense as he probaly puts you on AK. Check on the turn also makes sense as he thinks his still good but doesnt want to put anymore money in the pot yet. And on the river his filled up so after you lead and bet he figures an all in shove may get a call.

Or he can just be putting you on highcards and trying to take the hand away. Me personally at this stage of the tourney and without too much knowledge of the opponet I would fold.

Zaneyone · #8 (**permalink**) 04-08-2009, 06:12 PM

Did you get to see his hand? I have a feeling he has TT or JJ and thinks its good but since you don't know how he plays maybe he has A4s or 33. I'd probably fold and still have 42k to work with rather than risk almost all my chips on a sticky spot like this.

5carab · #9 (**permalink**) 04-09-2009, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Zaneyone

Did you get to see his hand? I have a feeling he has TT or JJ and thinks its good but since you don't know how he plays maybe he has A4s or 33. I'd probably fold and still have 42k to work with rather than risk almost all my chips on a sticky spot like this.

These are basically the last hands I put him on. He is never turning them into a bluff by raising and sure as hell shouldn't get value from them by doing so.

scott diamond · #10 (**permalink**) 04-09-2009, 10:53 AM

My thoughts on this after reading these incredibly good posts is I am folding no matter what here with my QQ on-line...

We all do not know how this player played to get 53k in chips and the call, call, check, all in here makes me wonder by over betting this pot, he either had 22 or AK hearts.

A big part of my game is being able to study my opponents and get a feel for them This is why I find on line to be difficult for me as there is way more shoving then live.

As I have said before, in order to win tournaments one has to make big laydowns at times. Here plattsburgh still has a nice stack and if I were in the same position here, I pick a better spot.