REPOST: Razz Hand, Stars $200 HORSEament

[Bryan Devonshire]

Hi. Is third okay or should we just be folding?

Now what on 4th?

This is about 36 left, money at 16.

Tournament - HORSE - Razz - Level XIII (1,000/2,000), Ante 200, Bring-In 300 (converter)

Seat 1: 10,174
Seat 2: 4,998
Hero: 13,699
Seat 4: 15,677
Seat 5: 19,945
Seat 6: 15,824
Seat 7: 29,547
Seat 8: 7,320

3rd Street - (1.60 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 8___folds
Seat 2: xx xx 4___folds
Hero: 6 2 7___calls
Seat 4: xx xx Q___brings-in___folds
Vil 5: xx xx 3___calls___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 5___folds
Vil 7: xx xx A___raises
Seat 8: xx xx 4___calls

4th Street - (5.90 SB)

Hero: 6 2 7 J___Hero?
Vil 5: xx xx 3 T___bets
Vil 7: xx xx A Q___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 4 Q___raises

[5carab]

Clear fold. This might be a lot closer if some of your cards were dead. However, there's one of everything you want dead and none of your cards out, which is pretty damn awful for you. You are ahead of no-one at this point, and calling 2 bets cold with 7J showing means you are basically just gambling that you can outdraw 3 people. Definitely wait for a better spot, especially as these tournys are so shallow at this point.

[TeddyKGB]

i think I fold third cause your juicy low hearts are out. but I come from the view that its hard to be too tight in these horse tourneys. the second I get out of line I get my face kicked in.

fourth if kind of hard unless you sure vil 5 is bad. it seems kind of like you want to see a card to get a good low draw. but what is vil five betting with, he must have a good low club draw unless hes a maniac. so that makes it a fold i think.

in real time i call down and loose all my checks, then i go to zoo and smack a zebra.

[5carab]

Originally Posted by Gauss

i think I fold third cause your juicy low hearts are out. but I come from the view that its hard to be too tight in these horse tourneys. the second I get out of line I get my face kicked in.

fourth if kind of hard unless you sure vil 5 is bad. it seems kind of like you want to see a card to get a good low draw. but what is vil five betting with, he must have a good low club draw unless hes a maniac. so that makes it a fold i think.

in real time i call down and loose all my checks, then i go to zoo and smack a zebra.

We're playing razz, not stud/8.

[Tyresias]

I definitely think third was played correctly, first of all.

4th honestly doesn't seem too bad either way, it sort of depends on how much you've got behind you and how you think the field is. Peeling 1 more card for 2 cold bets and dying with the hand if it hits might seem correct if folding means you're very low at a strong table. If you can fold and feel comfortable with your place in the tournament, that's probably the better play.

[TeddyKGB]

Originally Posted by 5carab

We're playing razz, not stud/8.

I think I agree. Devo, it is crucial that you realize which game it is. your welcome. anything I can do to assist your career just let me know. gauss.

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[that_pope]

Created an account just to comment on this hand.

This hand is lol bad, a mindnumbingly easy fold on 3rd unless you are completely ignoring upcards. Even then, you have your worst card showing, and are drawing to a rough 7. If this were 72A with the 2 showing, 2 6s, 2 5s, and 2 4s out, this may turn callable, but 5 cards that improve your hand, plus an 8 which may end up being good in a contested pot are all out.

Also, you are short (as is most of the table), but antes and bring-ins don't hurt your stack too much, calling full bets do. You have approximately 2 hands to play to full with your stack, and this isn't one you want to choose. From your posts, I assume you play Stud, and for sure Stud 8/b better than this, so why get in a bad spot in a game you don't play well, when you can be more comfortable in the next few rounds.

I find myself in HORSE tourneys playing uber tight in the Stud 8/b round because it is my worst game, and my best game is coming up soon, so why waste chips stupidly if I can save them and play in my comfort zone soon.

[TeddyKGB]

pope its a razz hand my brutha. my bad.

[that_pope]

Originally Posted by Gauss

pope its a razz hand my brutha. my bad.

I am well aware of that, and my analysis is 100% correct for a hand of razz. 762 is a marginal hand at best for 3rd, and when there are 5 great cards, and 1 average card already dead, you have less outs to improve. There is 16 cards that improve the 762 on 4th street (any 5, 4, 3, A) and 5 of them are dead, meaning only 11 left, which is almost cutting your odds by a third, along with the fact that everyone in front of you appears to be drawing to a better low, and you have your 7 showing, so you can't trick people into thinking you may be drawing to a 6 or a wheel.

[5carab]

Originally Posted by that_pope

Created an account just to comment on this hand.

This hand is lol bad, a mindnumbingly easy fold on 3rd unless you are completely ignoring upcards. Even then, you have your worst card showing, and are drawing to a rough 7. If this were 72A with the 2 showing, 2 6s, 2 5s, and 2 4s out, this may turn callable, but 5 cards that improve your hand, plus an 8 which may end up being good in a contested pot are all out.

Also, you are short (as is most of the table), but antes and bring-ins don't hurt your stack too much, calling full bets do. You have approximately 2 hands to play to full with your stack, and this isn't one you want to choose. From your posts, I assume you play Stud, and for sure Stud 8/b better than this, so why get in a bad spot in a game you don't play well, when you can be more comfortable in the next few rounds.

I find myself in HORSE tourneys playing uber tight in the Stud 8/b round because it is my worst game, and my best game is coming up soon, so why waste chips stupidly if I can save them and play in my comfort zone soon.

I agree with most of this. However, I don't hate peeling 3rd even though we're drawing kinda slim because it's pretty cheap and if we do catch a good card we are likely drawing good. It's only half a bet after all into a sizable pot. I do hate continuing 4th though because I put in that half a bet speculatively, have missed and am now being charged double. I would get away very quickly here.