REPOST: 50-100 Stud, concealed 2 pair on 5th

Bryan Devonshire · #1 (**permalink**) 05-31-2009, 06:08 PM

This happened in a 50-100 HORSE game first Friday of WSOP, we were 7 +/- 1 handed.

I bring it in with a 4 in the 5 seat, TT from 2+2 limps Kc, Shaun (a Vegas reg) limps a 9.

4th street ($115)
TT (xx)K

J

Shaun (xx)9

3

Devo (6

7

)4

7

check, check, I bet, TT raises, Shaun calls, I call.

5th street ($415)
TT (xx)K

J

2

Shaun (xx)9

3

Devo (6

7

)4

7

6

TT bets, Shaun raises

1) wtf is going here?
2) now what?

TeddyKGB · #2 (**permalink**) 05-31-2009, 07:01 PM

my guess is shaun has an ace high four flush and is trying to get a free card on the next street, or at least hoping he can see the next street for one bet instead of two. i have no idea what you should do, prolly call it down I actually think both your villans have ace high four flushes here, and are betting them in order to see the next street for free, call and pray

pokeresq · #3 (**permalink**) 05-31-2009, 10:28 PM

Did Shaun checkraise? Your post indicates he had the only pair showing, so did the action go check, check, bet chk rz? That certainly could indicate an isolation bet with the idea being that if TT only has the flush draw, he wants to isolate with his pair/flush draw or two pair hand.
If he has two pair you are in bad shape. My inclination would be to punt, especially if facing two full bets with the pair on board.

5carab · #4 (**permalink**) 06-01-2009, 01:37 AM

Can we have the dead cards and position of everyone please, kinda hard to continue meaningfully without that info.

Pendulous Threads · #5 (**permalink**) 06-01-2009, 04:05 PM

With the information provided, it looks like Shaun is trying to get it heads up with TT. Their actions on 4th street have to mean something and should be very telling to what is going on. I don't see how they can have any kind of super strong hand and missing a chance to get extra bets in. More then likely fatigue has set in and they are playing very poorly, or there was an unmentioned dynamic in play that made them think playing passive early in a hand was rewarding.

Christopher G. · #6 (**permalink**) 11-16-2009, 07:08 PM

I know TT is a solid poker player and plays a lot of stud, so his open limp with a King definitely sets off some alarms for me, unless he has been playing very passively. His limp is repping either a monster like KKK, a flush or straight draw which he felt he should play passively with a K door for some reason. If he does this with kings I am definitely not a fan. (I don't like open limping at all really).
When TT check raises 4th it is looking like a made hand looking to get the diamond draw to pay two bets to see the next card. Although it's not a great play since your board is raggedy and he can't expect you to bet out here. Since his play is so odd here I can only think that he has a monster like KKK or limped a Broadway draw and hit his jacks. Given this information, your two pair is in bad shape with TTs range and Shauns range, if his range is a flush draw and a pair or a better two pair than yours.

Pretty easy fold on 5th as you are only looking to boat up since a few of your straight outs are dead.