Big pot @ 25/50 with 100 ante on the big blind. Thoughts?

[Mike Sowers]

Okay so I played 25/50 yesterday with a hundred ante on the big blind. Here's an interesting story. I ran 18k to about 75k in a little over 5 hours playing solid n making the nuts quite a bit vs sets etc, not to mention abusing really bad players who have no business playing in the game. This hand comes up ... I raise to 225 utg with TT , the 2 hole calls and a good thinking agg player who also has like 75k and is in 5th position makes it 1025. He has squeezed several times but seems to be a solid player.


I flat pre and so does the 2nd position. 2nd position stack is around 28k. Flop comes Th Qh 4D. I check 2nd position checks and initial squeezer bets 2200 into around 3300. I flat 2200 and 2nd position flats 2200. Turn is the 7clubs and I elect to bet out 6200 into 9900. 2nd position folds and initial squeezer makes it 17k. Whats the correct action?

[DMOvs]

Whats his squeezing range? I don't think he plays QQ with this line on that board unless he reads you for exactly TT. And being a solid player--he probably knows you know he isnt paying off a flush and you didn't have the expressed odds.

3bet?

[JohnLance]

If he has seen you showing down the nuts for the last five hours then I think you could possibly fold but you'd need one hell of a read.

Also you could call the turn and check call the river to get value from worse hands.

I was also thinking that you should have raised the flop to something like 5.2k or 5.5k. It would have seemed like a feeler raise, plus you could have gotten more info about his hand by the way that he reacted to that raise. That being said, his PF raise seems much more like Kings than Aces or Queens. I don't think that QQ 3 bets to 5x the 2 bet preflop...regardless of position.

[DennisG90]

I am never folding here. While I havent played with 75k in front of me yet, I would never thouroughly consider to fold 2nd set with no str8s or flushes but several draws possible. If you really do put him on that 1 hand that beats you, its because you are scared to play so deep and build a 150k pot. Then you should rather stand up and leave the table. Being scared in that hand though, you could also call check/call to keep the pot as small as possible.

Now we can argue whether to 3bet or just call.

IMO, that really depends on what you put him on here.
If you put him on kings or aces, I would prolly flat call, as a 3bet could scare him and make him fold, and bet out 1/2 pot on river, as he could check behind when checked to him.
If you put him on a draw, which is tough to do when you say hes a solid player, perhaps AKhh or AJhh, then I would prefer 3betting with the intention of not letting him draw out cheaply.

So, very much history/read dependent.

[DRUK88]

I would always be 3-betting here, simply because SO many hands on the river scare me and I feel (at this moment) I have the best hand.

He could very well have KK or AA and I don't think he will be laying it down if you 3-bet.

Also, FWIW you should check-raise the flop IMO. There are any number of draws out there that he may think you are check-raising with.

Also, before you check the flop, decide what your going to do the rest of the hand. Your decision will be much easier when you get raised. Are you willing to put 75K in here with your set? Or if you put 75k in will you be behind? If I check-raise, what do I do if he raises me? What do you do on the turn if he calls? What cards do you want to see? What cards don't you want to see? Ask yourself these questions and hands becomes easier to play.

[Rob111]

Folding is a complete toss out. Move allin. If he has QQ he has QQ. KK or AA he'll pay you off if he's a real player. If he's playing with scared money he'll fold. If he's a Durrr fan maybe you hit the jackpot and he has 44 or 77. There's not a player alive worth a nickel that's folding TT in this spot.

[5carab]

Originally Posted by Rob111

Folding is a complete toss out. Move allin. If he has QQ he has QQ. KK or AA he'll pay you off if he's a real player. If he's playing with scared money he'll fold. If he's a Durrr fan maybe you hit the jackpot and he has 44 or 77. There's not a player alive worth a nickel that's folding TT in this spot.

Whilst I'm undecided whether I think there's more value in calling or shoving, I don't expect to get called by KK very often by a decent player here. We are 1500bbs deep (although effectively WAY less because of the $100 ante - should play a lot more like $50/$100 I would think which makes us a paltry 750bbs effective). Because of this I don't see a villain getting it in with only 1 pair. If I raise it's mainly to price out draws and stack bottom set/ top 2 before a scare card hits - NOT to get value from AA or KK. For this reason I disagree with many of the posters including the one I have quoted. I really feel we aren't getting action here by anything but a hyper-coolered villain when we shove. Therefore it's read-dependent on whether he has a draw or an overpair (if he has QQ then gg imo). FWIW, if we think AA and KK will call a shove here then shoving is obviously trivially easy.

[Sira21]

It's really hard to fold here but you could if you had the right history with the guy I don't know...
I'd flat call turn and probably check call most rivers. I think if you raise the river he probably folds AA and KK and he probably bets AA or KK if you check on a lot of rivers. If it's like an A on the river then you can probably check and fold if he bets big just because your range dictates he shouldn't be able to bet that card strong lest he has AQ beat. You might even fold if the river is a club or a heart and his bet looks scary enough but it would have to be pretty scary timing/size. Sounds like you just got unlucky and the guy had QQ though, nh

[Mattlanta]

So sick... this is going to be a 150k cooler isn't it?

In this spot i'd call the turn and either v-bet river, or if you think he'd v-bet AA, KK here c/r the river all-in if a non flush, K or A hits. I think if we 3 bet here we blow kk and AA out.

[Jimmy Fricke]

Call and c/r any river.