PLAYBYPLAY The Big Game Week 3 Episode 4

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	listening	Wow!! This was outstanding! I made notes. I have to go back and watch it again - more than once. Like to have a link to a forum thread for comment and discussion. Thanks - Lis~	1
	IFlyLikePaper	I should watch the video first before commenting but I love the idea Barry.	0
	wiggum	I liked it. The audio was out of sync, but hope to see more of it Barry.	0
	PokerViking	Great insight. Thanks Barry.	0
	Calhoun137	I'm sure you get this all the time, but here goes anyway. I disagree with your analysis of the 65 hand; and the problem I'm having is that this hand illustrates one of the reasons c-betting so much is exploitable. First of all, in this specific hand, you are not representing anything and this is illustrated that Jason calls you with nothing, just to make a play. You say its a "strange call", but it's not when you realize that this is a paired board with 2 to a flush, furthermore the pair of 7's is low enough that in principle you probably don't have a 7 and can be played off your hand, but since both blinds called you one of them either has the 7 or can faithfully represent it, if not the diamonds later, or even just a reverse float out of position, i.e. check-check turn, jason bets river. I think taking a free card is really strong, if you properly balance your range in these spots. So checking behind can mean you either have a gutshot or the nuts. I take all the advice you say very seriously, and I just can't figure out why you c-bet so much. It doesn't matter that someone with a small pocket pair might fill up (as you said multiple times in recent videos), it only matters if in the long run if it is more profitable or not to cbet all the time or take the free card some percentage of time. Also, would you mind telling me how does your personal c-betting frequency depends on things like cash game/tournament and the level of skill of your opponents?	0
	Calhoun137	Just to add to my previous comment. The idea that you are not representing anything with your c-bet in this particular spot is emphasized by the fact that the announcer's call you "Barry 'continuation bet' Greenstein", and make other comments such as "they know that Barry will make this c-bet with any 2 cards". I think your comment that Jason thinks mucking 2 over cards on the flop is a big lay down is a misunderstanding of what meant by saying that. I don't know how relevant Jason being scared/intimidated is to his play pf or on the flop. I think one reason Jason just calls before the flop is he might think that you think he's a little steamy; and he thinks in this case, you may 4-bet him light, so he can avoid being 4-bet off his hand, also if you think he's steamy he can either rep a small flop or else leave a doubt in your mind that he hit his pair. His call out of position on the flop with 2 over cards is consistent with this interpretation. Furthermore, he can strongly suspect that his pair outs are good, and even that he has a better hand than you. His call looks very strong, so if the player behind him doesn't hit the flop he's likely to fold. In this case, he actually has you beat and this reasoning would have been correct. Jason's comment "I almost just folded the flop" then indicates that the closeness of this call revolves around how likely it is for the player behind him to hit the flop or play back, not whether or not he's likely to hit his pair.	0
	Calhoun137	I hope you don't mind that I have left these long comments, I know you asked for feedback. The final point I would like to make, is that without being results oriented, it's clear that in spots like this there is a lot of value to taking the free card. Your reasoning that c-betting the flop will give you a cheap ride to the river clearly did not work out at all, in fact it cost you a look at the turn, if not the river as well. It's clear that by taking the free card on the flop and calling a bet on the turn, that for basically the same price as your c-bet, you are very likely to get to the river against the types of hands like T7 which you are probably going to win a big pot from if you hit the gut shot. Considering the fact that you can't really represent this flop legitimately, I don't see the problem with playing your hand for value by taking the free card on the turn, and basing your turn play on what comes and how your opponents react. If it goes check-check to you again, then a delayed c-bet actually represents that you hit a 7 more effectively than a c-bet on the flop; assuming you balance your range by not c-betting all the time. The fact that your straight is nowhere near the nuts is compensated by the fact that we don't expect a player with bear trips to go crazy in the face of huge action on a paired board with possible straights and/or flushes (i.e. if we hit the straight, we probably won't have to face a player with bear trips turning his hand into a bluff when he can call you down for value). By the same token, the sucker straight is easy to get away from in the case of massive action, and your positional advantage increases the ability to lay this straight down cheap enough.	0